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	'''Summary: This article is two major studies: (1) A review of the medical controversy about Covid [mercifully shortened from "coronavirus"] under the heading "Questions for Doctors"; and (2) what God really does promise regarding protection from all threats.		'''Summary: This article is two major studies: (1) A review of the medical controversy about Covid [mercifully shortened from "coronavirus"] under the heading "Questions for Doctors"; and (2) what God really does promise regarding protection from all threats.
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−	'''Droplets vs. Aerosols.''' Is it true that the virus is carried not just on "droplets" which are 5 millionths of a meter or larger, which masks can block at 70% to 90%, but also on "aerosols", the name of moisture that is as small as 100 billionths of a meter? Which would render masks ineffective IF the percentage of covid transmitted on the smaller particles is significant? But is it known whether it is significant?
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−	~~One article says it is not known; that it is only ''assumed'' that much more covid is carried on droplets. What is the basis for that conclusion?~~
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−	A doctor has a youtube video where he blows Vape vapor through a variety of masks to show how easily it rushes around and through masks. He says Vape droplets are as larger or larger than covid droplets. Meanwhile another article that measures Vape droplets indicates they are up to 50 times larger than the 5-millionths-of-a-meter droplets of which masks are supposed to stop 70%. Although the volume of airflow isn't reduced or a wearer would be gasping for breath, the direction of exhalations is definitely changed: exhalations hover around the breather rather than shooting forward several feet. Most of it shoots across the eyes; does this unnatural flow of CO2 and moisture harm the eyes? Dentists say it damages teeth and gums, causing infections that threaten heart attacks.
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−	'''Covid Buildup in Masks.''' What about the harm to the wearer of covid buildup in masks? If the wearer has covid, then exhaling would develop quite a culture of covid on the inside of the mask. If the wearer is healthy but is around others with covid, there would be a buildup on the outside of the mask. Is that a problem for the wearer?
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−	'''Oxygen Reduction.''' Apparently there is no controversy that masks cause measurable reduction of oxygen levels in the blood of wearers, nor that long term reduction can cause serious harm to vital organs, and weakens the immune system, in that way actually increasing the risk of covid. That is why even authorities imposing lockdowns and mask wearing usually spell out exceptions for people with breathing problems, and people exercising. (Although usually not with as much flexibility as common sense requires; for example I met a forkleft operator who works alone in a warehouse, doing a lot of heavy work, yet the company policy requires masks inflexibly.)
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−	My wife is more vulnerable to the harm of oxygen reduction than I am, I THINK; she feels its effects fairly quickly. So far God has blessed me with much better health than He has her. But even for myself, at age 75, but even if I were 7.5, the idea of deliberately lowering my oxygen level does not strike me as a healthy strategy.
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−	On the other hand some theorize that, assuming masks do significantly reduce covid flow, the small amount of covid that still gets through has the positive effect of "immunizing" the wearer, activating his immune system with a manageable exposure.
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−	Is there any scientific way to balance these harms v. hoped-for benefits? Especially since, it seems from articles below, the evidence is more certain about the harms of oxygen reduction than it is about the reduction of covid through masks?
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−	Doubts about the seriousness of Covid are raised by those who point out that when someone dies in a car crash who has covid, the cause of death is put down as covid. I don't know if that happened more than once, but it was a memorable headline. More commonly things like cancer or heart problems are "comorbidities" lumped with covid. Is there really no way to compare the death rates of people with covid who have NO "comorbities", with the death rates of, for example, people with influenza who have no "comorbities"?
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−	If more honest stats really are impossible, how trustworthy are the judgements that covid was a primary cause of death where there was a "comorbidity"? I am told that balance may be subjective, but what is objective is that the total death rate from all causes has jumped 25% higher this year than in previous years, which is huge, considering covid is the only new killer on the block. But another article says that is not true - the overall death rate is about the same! How do we rationally process this?
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−	The significance of this question is that if indeed covid is NOT dramatically more threatening than any other communicable disease, then the drastically clear harms from shutdowns and masks, to our economy and mental as well as physical health, require quickly returning to "normal".
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−	A nurse at Unity Health told me doctors in her office constantly argue all these points, about masks, etc. When I asked her why we can't see any statistics comparing covid WITHOUT comorbidities with INFLUENZA without comorbidities, she answered simply and emphatically, "influenza is worse".
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−	However, she said there is one sense in which covid is a greater strain on our health system: with influenza, where symptoms include things like vomiting, patients can manage such things at home in all but the most serious stages. But with covid, where the most common symptom is shortness of breath, the patient, even at a medium stage of severity, needs to be in a hospital.
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−	Apparently dozens of studies have been done in dozens of countries showing promising results. India was particularly miffed that the drug was shot down. "American's Frontline Doctors", several doctors called themselves, took a dramatic stand for it, and the national response? Censorship. Social media deleted them. Everybody else mostly ignored them. The black woman was attacked most, ironically, by liberals, not for her medicine but for her theology. Several other doctors and some research supporting the drug followed, then I stopped seeing anything. So what's the latest?
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−	~~The Unity nurse tells me HCQ is commonly used in their hospital, but not for outpatients. However, Simon Conway, WHO talk show host, says he is taking it as he broadcasts from home.~~
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−	Dr. Harvey Risch, Harvard, says many earlier studies finding against HCQ were flawed because they didn't distinguish between treatment in earlier vs. later stages. He writes that HCQ is especially effective in earlier stages; it keeps people out of hospitals.
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−	"Dr. Joseph Mercola just wants to sell supplements." Dr. Blaylock is out of his field. Bill Gates owns a drug company which explains why he wants the whole world to shut down until they buy his vaccine. Dr. Fauci actually invented covid, and when his U.S. company couldn't take the political heat for developing such a killer, he sold it to China to perfect it. Democrats want to shut down everything and require masks because Trump doesn't. Republicans want to open everything up because they suspect Democrats are only out to control everything and usher in the Mark of the Beast.
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−	I have heard all these accusations. They are all true, for all I know. I have an agenda too: I hate masks, and especially shudder when I see people outside doing hard work with masks on even though no one is around. We are humans. We have our agendas. We aren't perfectly open minded.
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−	But to justify ignoring our opponent's evidence by attacking his motives, saying he "has an agenda", which is why he acts and speaks contrary to evidence, makes us as resistant to evidence as we say he is.
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−	Therefore, let us all seek the evidence. Let us judge it on it merits. Even God listens to mere men, judging our prayers on their merits, not on the miserable spirituality credentials of their authors. If God can treat humans as not so far below Him as to merit ignoring us, let us listen to each other, judging each other's evidence on its merits.
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−	~~======Where are answers?======~~
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−	~~I know of NO source where the claims of a few maverick, though eminently qualified, doctors are addressed and refuted in language understandable to non-medical folks like me.~~
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−	Is there any hospital in Des Moines where the thousands here who have heard these alternative conclusions on the internet (before they were censored by social media) can find them addressed and refuted if they are wrong?
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−	Does the governor make available an information source upon which she has relied for her covid rules, that assures us that she has at least heard of this opposing expert testimony and it has been addressed and refuted?
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−	National division is caused by national mandates whose basis is defended only by censoring opposing evidence. "Suppression of the evidence is the strongest possible evidence" is a principle articulated in the Tryal of John Peter Zenger, a newspaper publisher who was prosecuted in 1735 for "libel" against the Royal Governor of New York. The jury acquitted him, which established Freedom of the Press in the United States. Social media censors opposing evidence, while government ignores it. Wrong move. I makes Americans suspicious. The failure to disprove opposing evidence makes no sense unless it cannot be disproved, people logically reason.
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−	Thank you for your willingness to address my questions. I urge you to create a repository somewhere - anywhere - where all such questions may find answers. At your hospital, your professional medical association, some government medical association like the CDC, SOMEWHERE, where censored doctors who think they have evidence meriting our attention can interact with other doctors who think they don't, in nontechnical language which us ordinary folk who don't know the jargon but don't mind reading a lot of details can watch the interaction and learn.

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 [[File:GodsCoronavirusCure.gif|right|170px]] <span style="color:#0000FF"><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This article was started by [[User:DaveLeach|Dave Leach R-IA Bible Lover-musician-grandpa]] ([[User talk:DaveLeach|talk]]) 20:00, 14 March 2020 (UTC). <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Please interact! To interact with any particular point made here, simply click "edit", then right after that point, type four dashes (to create a horizontal line), hit "enter" to start on the next line typing your response, then close with four tildes which will leave your real name, time etc. (after you "request account" and "log in"); then on the last line, four more dashes. <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;To vote, Like, rate, argue, change your past comment, add a section with a heading that appears in the Table of Contents, start a new article, use colors, write in Greek, etc. find suggestions and codes at [[Begin!]]</span>

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 <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;God also opens doors for us to doing great things, overcoming great evils, despite great obstacles. Jesus not only promises that these "mountains" will fall if we have "enough" faith, meaning, presumably enough to not give up, but God actively helps, making it possible, but only if we really stretch ourselves which is just as important to God.
 <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Life is so much more than food, clothing, money, good health, and long life. Compared with much of the rest of the world, the United States are indeed a haven of Christian faith. But to "get through this" - all that life is - we have to, as a culture, not just as isolated individuals, face reality, take time for evidence as needed to get us back in touch with reality, and settle back into the loving arms of God.'''
 ====A Doctor's Alarm about Censoring Doctors====

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	The media has become so overrun by arrogant, self-righteous zealots that do everything in their power to stifle anything but their own narrative, it’s as if they have abrogated any pretense of objectivity as illegitimate since we all know God is Good and the Devil wicked. Any deviation from this is therefore evil and if that requires limiting people’s [freedom] to decide for themselves, so be it.		The media has become so overrun by arrogant, self-righteous zealots that do everything in their power to stifle anything but their own narrative, it’s as if they have abrogated any pretense of objectivity as illegitimate since we all know God is Good and the Devil wicked. Any deviation from this is therefore evil and if that requires limiting people’s [freedom] to decide for themselves, so be it.

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−	My concern is far greater than any questions I have about these particular vaccines. The American public is rolling over for this, not because of "science", but in a culture where only a few doctors with pubmed.com can be sure of the science because for the rest of us, disfavored testimony is addressed not with evidence but with censorship.
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−	It's like the recent capitulation of 18 Republican senators, including Iowa's Republican heartthrob Charles Grassley, to allow the $1.2 trillion "infrastructure" bill move forward even though a bill fleshing out what it might include has not even been drafted, much less read.
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−	Freedom of the Press was established by the John Peter Zenger trial in about 1729. Zenger had a satire newspaper where he gave the royal governor of New York a royal drubbing. Zenger wanted to tell the jury that everything he said was true. The judge said that is irrelevant; that is not a defense against Libel. In fact, if it is true, that makes the libel even worse for the one libeled! So the judge wouldn't let Zenger submit evidence that what he said was true! Yet in those days, the jury was allowed to hear the legal arguments, which is never allowed today. So Zenger told the jury "suppression of the evidence is the strongest evidence." The jury agreed and acquitted, which established freedom of the press.
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−	That is the understanding of Freedom of Speech that we grew up with. Today it is demanded of ever more citizens that they get this vaccine, while many expert witnesses saying it is unnecessary, if not dangerous, are not refuted but censored. We are asked to do what the Bible calls foolish and a national shame.
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−	~~Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.~~
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−	As I indicated, it is beyond my understanding to judge the competing claims about the physical impact of our three glorious covid vaccines. But it is frightening to me to see national mandates enforced not with science but its opposite: censorship. And whether or not these vaccines have long term terrible consequences, the long term terrible consequence of rolling over for censors are very clear. It means ANY future vaccine, crafted and marketed by people not concerned with health but with profit, or worse, control, or worse, reduction of human population as has been the dream of liberals since Malthus, will meet little resistance.
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−	I note that Revelation 16:2 says "The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly, festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image." I compare that with videos of Bill Gates dreaming about worldwide vaccine mandates, and articles about a vaccine application which leaves an invisible tattoo, which can be read by a smart phone to report vaccine history. This would certainly account for how a "mark of the beast", not merely a mark but also a harmful vaccine, could cause terrible sores in everyone who takes it.
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−	Yet I see a culture, half of which hates God and the other half doesn't want to discuss Scripture in public forums where voters decide to pattern our laws after the principles of Heaven or of Hell, lest they lose their "credibility", ready to roll over for ANYTHING the censors promote!
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−	Even if covid fatalities are as deadly as the CDC reports with its reporting rules which were never applied to any previous epidemic, they cannot possibly be as deadly as the readiness of the freest citizens on earth to roll over for censors with no curiosity but only angry stares for reasonable questions about the approved "science".
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−	I would rather die of covid than be part of this rolling over that paves the way for the Mark of the Beast. Although my trust in God is such that I believe the safest thing I can do is serve Him, which includes resisting evil, regardless of any guns pointed at my head, regardless of any other threat. Psalm 91. I find it critical that there be serious resistance to this mindless censorship-based "science".
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−	What is the main purpose for a forum where doctors on all sides can interact without fear of censorship? To prove that mask, lockdown, and vaccine narratives are false? No because even if they are, the forum is just as critical, because millions ''believe'' they are false, and America is not going to be healthy - mental health is as vital as physical health - so long as evidence is addressed by censorship instead of by countering evidence.
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−	I pray you will join me in the mission of establishing a website capable of bypassing and neutralizing the censors so that true science can guide us. Let us have a place where false claims can be addressed, point by point, free, and in language politicians and voters can understand.
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−	A month ago Dr. Simone Gold, organizer of America's Frontline Doctors, brought a show to Des Moines. About 2,000 showed up, pretty close to the most that ever show up for a political event in Des Moines. It was a very enthusiastic audience. She lost her doctor job over her successful treatments of covid patients with hydroxychloroquine, but she is a lawyer too and is filing a lawsuit against vaccine mandates, especially before full FDA approval, although she supports the availability of vaccines for those who want them.
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−	If you believe we must all take the vaccines, surely we are NOT on opposite sides. Surely you share my concern for mass acceptance of censorship, and the incentive that provides truly wicked doctors, spiritual descendants of Mengele, to fulfill the Mark of the Beast vision and figure they can get away with it. Surely you accept the Bible's warning of the Mark as accurate, and as something that merits our watching, though of course exactly what it applies to is not yet completely clear.
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−	Although you encourage taking the vaccine because you know it is beneficial, and I oppose doing anything without informed consent, surely that is not a fundamental contradiction. Surely you will join me in opposing censorship, even censorship of ignorance, because only when error is brought out into the open can it be shot down. Surely you will not mistake the censors or the mandaters for your allies, but will see that only to the extent we can neutralize the censors can skeptics, not to mention European-type mobs, be reassured.
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−	~~An article about riots abroad quoted a sign in Australia: "This has nothing to do with covid." Amen. Let's get Freedom of Speech back, so we can talk about Covid intelligently.~~

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