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‎Jesus also told us specifically to save the world

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‎Jesus also told us specifically to save the world

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‎What gives a signature power?

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DaveLeach at 11:09, 24 June 2021

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DaveLeach: /* How the phrase is mocked and mutilated */

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‎How the phrase is mocked and mutilated

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 So even though many have a tragically unrealistic view of how helpless they are, at least the phrase accurately describes our goal.
-Several Scriptures show us that God doesn't mean for us to do it alone. When we find no help, God is faithful to make up much of the lack, but real transformation of society is the expected result when many of "My people, who are called by My Name" (1 Chronicles 7:14) interact through Biblical forums.
+'''Several Scriptures show us that God doesn't mean for us to do it alone.''' When we find no help, God is faithful to make up much of the lack, but real transformation of society is the expected result when many of "My people, who are called by My Name" (1 Chronicles 7:14) interact through Biblical forums.
 I created this wiki website, this way of interacting, in pursuit of an online version of the interaction God seeks for us that I read about in Scriptures like 1 Corinthians 14 and Proverbs 15:22. Lots more Scripture: [[Bible_Blueprints_for_Christian_Meetings]]

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	So even though many have a tragically unrealistic view of how helpless they are, at least the phrase accurately describes our goal.		So even though many have a tragically unrealistic view of how helpless they are, at least the phrase accurately describes our goal.
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		+	Several Scriptures show us that God doesn't mean for us to do it alone. When we find no help, God is faithful to make up much of the lack, but real transformation of society is the expected result when many of "My people, who are called by My Name" (1 Chronicles 7:14) interact through Biblical forums.
		+	I created this wiki website, this way of interacting, in pursuit of an online version of the interaction God seeks for us that I read about in Scriptures like 1 Corinthians 14 and Proverbs 15:22. Lots more Scripture: [[Bible_Blueprints_for_Christian_Meetings]]

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	Why didn't they sign anonymously? They would have caused a lot less trouble. They probably could have avoided a war. The British probably wouldn't have felt their interests threatened enough to send troops. Surely the British would have realized that men too timid to face the British with words would be too timid to face the British with guns.		Why didn't they sign anonymously? They would have caused a lot less trouble. They probably could have avoided a war. The British probably wouldn't have felt their interests threatened enough to send troops. Surely the British would have realized that men too timid to face the British with words would be too timid to face the British with guns.
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		+	Of course, the United States would then have remained subjects of the English king, whom no one elects. We would not today be free.

	===Can one 'take a stand' anonymously?===		===Can one 'take a stand' anonymously?===

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 ===Your real first and last name===
-...without a space between them, goes in the top field. Middle name optional. Capitalizing both names is suggested. Should the computer tell you that someone has already registered with the same name, please distinguish your name by adding a middle name or initial, or any symbols. This will be made public as you edit. (See "Exception" below.)
+...without a space between them, goes in the top field. Middle name optional. Capitalizing both names is suggested. Should the computer tell you that someone has already registered with the same name, please distinguish your name by adding a middle name or initial, or any symbols. Your real name will be made public when you edit articles. (See "Exception" below.)
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 Since this wiki site doesn't permit anonymous posts anyway, TOR users are welcome here. If you create an account under the previous conditions, TOR will remain your friend. In fact this section was entered using TOR.
-[http://Unseen.is unseen.is] is an example of encrypted email service which no tyrant can trace. If your circumstances truly justify it, you are welcome to use TOR, www.unseen.is, and use a pseudonym, provided the SAVETHEWORLD administrator can verify the facts above.
+[http://Unseen.tw unseen.is] is an example of encrypted email service which no tyrant can trace. If your circumstances truly justify it, you are welcome to use TOR, www.unseen.tw, and use a pseudonym, provided the SAVETHEWORLD administrator can verify the facts above, and that your account is for a better cause than to unload spam.
 ==What does this forum allow that others don't?==

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 Actually the Bible means several other things, by the word "saved", than just going to Heaven. For example:
-Saved from drowning: 1 Peter 3:20  Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
+Saved from '''drowning''': 1 Peter 3:20  Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
-Saved from slavery: Judges 1:5  I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
+Saved from '''slavery''': Judges 1:5  I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
-Saved from wrath, judgment, which falls both here and hereafter: Romans 5:9  Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
+Saved from '''wrath''', judgment, which falls both here and hereafter: Romans 5:9  Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
-Saved from sickness: Luke 18:42  And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
+Saved from '''sickness''': Luke 18:42  And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
-Saved from physical death:  Mark 13:20  And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
+Saved from '''physical death''':  Mark 13:20  And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
-Saved from national captivity: Jeremiah 8:20  The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.
+Saved from national '''captivity''': Jeremiah 8:20  The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.
-Saved from enemies: Psalm 106:10  And he saved them from the hand of him that hated them, and redeemed them from the hand of the enemy. Also Ps 44:7, 18:3, Neh 9:27, 2Sa_22:4  I will call on the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies.
+Saved from '''enemies''': Psalm 106:10  And he saved them from the hand of him that hated them, and redeemed them from the hand of the enemy. Also Ps 44:7, 18:3, Neh 9:27, 2Sa_22:4  I will call on the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies.
-Saved from all troubles: Psalm 34:6 This poor man cried, and the LORD heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles.
+Saved from all '''troubles''': Psalm 34:6 This poor man cried, and the LORD heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles.
-Saved from capture: 2 Kings 6:10  And the king of Israel sent to the place which the man of God told him and warned him of, and saved himself there, not once nor twice.
+Saved from '''capture''': 2 Kings 6:10  And the king of Israel sent to the place which the man of God told him and warned him of, and saved himself there, not once nor twice.
-Saved from physical death: 2 Kings 6:10  And the king of Israel sent to the place which the man of God told him and warned him of, and saved himself there, not once nor twice.
+Saved from physical '''death''': 2 Kings 6:10  And the king of Israel sent to the place which the man of God told him and warned him of, and saved himself there, not once nor twice.
-Saved from military defeat: 1 Samuel 14:23  So the LORD saved Israel that day: and the battle passed over unto Bethaven.
+Saved from '''military defeat''': 1 Samuel 14:23  So the LORD saved Israel that day: and the battle passed over unto Bethaven.
-Saved from execution by an angel: Numbers 22:33  And the ass saw me, and turned from me these three times: unless she had turned from me, surely now also I had slain thee, and saved her alive.
+Saved from '''execution by an angel''': Numbers 22:33  And the ass saw me, and turned from me these three times: unless she had turned from me, surely now also I had slain thee, and saved her alive.
-Saved from drowning: Exodus 1:18  And the king of Egypt called for the midwives, and said unto them, Why have ye done this thing, and have saved the men children alive?
+Saved from '''drowning''': Exodus 1:18  And the king of Egypt called for the midwives, and said unto them, Why have ye done this thing, and have saved the men children alive?
 So it is consistent with Biblical usage of the word "saved", as well as the impossibility of the "world" going to Heaven, to understand that the phrase "save the world" doesn't have to mean getting "the world" into Heaven, or getting everyone into Heaven. The most natural meaning is the goal of drawing people closer to God, on a very widespread scale. Revival, in other words.

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 '''Assumption #3: Prophecy makes spiritual idiots of any Christian still yanking on mountains of evil.''' "Things will only get worse and worse", we are told. So we need to stop trying to do so much good, and numb our brains with TV reruns like every other sensible Christian. Fortunately groups like Wycliff, Open Doors, Voice of the Martyrs, etc haven't given up. Wycliff Bible Translators is on track to literally get Bible translations in every language. For a Bible study of this objection, see [[What we can Pray for that isn't Forbidden by Prophecy]]
-'''Assumption #4: Getting "saved" means going to Heaven, so "saving the world" means getting the world into Heaven.''' Wait a minute. "The world" is not a person that can go to either Heaven or Hell. And yet that is the implication of criticizing the goal of "saving the world" because we can never save every person (because not everyone WANTS to be saved). Let's try to think about the meaning of the words we are using, and stop blaming others for words which critics mutilate into theological errors which their words can't possibly support.
+'''Assumption #4: Getting "saved" means going to Heaven, so "saving the world" means getting the world into Heaven.''' Wait a minute. "The world" is not a person that can go to either Heaven or Hell. And yet that is the implication of criticizing the goal of "saving the world" because we can never save every person (because not everyone WANTS to be saved). Let's try to think about the meaning of the words we are using, and stop blaming others for words which critics mutilate into theological errors which their words can't possibly support. If "save the world" can't mean getting the world into Heaven, what remains for it to mean? How about "healing for the world's cultures"? How about "revival"? How about "the world's media losing its hostility to God so people do not face that obstacle to eternal life"?
 Actually the Bible means several other things, by the word "saved", than just going to Heaven. For example:
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 '''Benefits of the phrase "save the world":'''
-* It stands with Jesus in communicating very high goals.
+* It stands with Jesus in communicating (1) very high goals, (2) goals intended to benefit everybody, and (3) at considerable personal cost to those so aiming.
-* It is a very recognizable idiom. Though mocked by many lazy, unimaginative people who regard aiming as high as mountains is foolish, not "realistic", it communicates aiming high perhaps better than any other English idiom.
+* It is a very recognizable idiom. Though mocked by many lazy, unimaginative people who regard aiming as high as mountains as foolish - not "realistic". It communicates aiming high perhaps better than any other English idiom.
-* It is a reasonable summary of Jesus' Great Commission in three words, which brevity is essential in a website name.
+* It is a reasonably accurate summary of Jesus' Great Commission in three words - brevity which is essential in a website name.
 * It is so close in meaning to what Jesus calls all of us to do, that "the world", meaning the culture of much of the world, mocks the goal in about the same way, and for about the same reasons, that "the world" mocks Jesus' Great Commission itself: if "the world" ''wanted'' to be "saved", it would already ''be'' saved. Our mission calls for more than mailing out a smiley card. We have mental inertia to overcome. Even our own children resist our most loving efforts to raise them to be safe and successful. Children do not make parenting easy. Shall we expect less resistance from 7 billion sin-hardened adults?

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 Even the Bible fully articulates the reasoning of God's enemies. Persuasive reasoning has to address its critics, as 1 Peter 3:15 confirms. Every attempt of any forum to censor dissent produces a lot of "grey area" around the censored content, in which people do not know whether they are welcome or not, and in which people who assumed they were fully welcome discover they are not.
-==Why we call this "SaveTheWorld"==
+==Why we call this SaveTheWorld==
 People with ambitious goals are too often ridiculed by saying "He thinks he can save the world."