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 I perceive Noninvolvement Theology as not just contrary to the Bible but as spiritual suicide. By that I mean that spiritual death is not just its effect, but is its conscious goal. To embrace Noninvolvement Theology is to want to spiritually die; and Noninvolvement Theology is the dagger by which Christians spiritually kill themselves, deliberately.
+:Validating ignorance is easier and more immediately successful than articulating truth that persuades, dispels, displaces, heals ignorance.
 Hopium.
+'''Imagine'''   1975
 John Lennon
 Explicit
 Imagine there's no Heaven
-It's easy if you try                 You're stupid if you try
+It's easy if you try [You're stupid if you try]
 No Hell below us
-Above us only sky                          Do you want to spiritually die?
+Above us only sky   [d'you want to spiritually die?]
 Imagine all the people livin' for today
-Ah, ah, ah-ah                                  for which they'll pay
+Ah, ah, ah-ah  [for which they'll pay]
 Imagine there's no countries
-It isn't hard to do                               that's one thing dumb people do
+It isn't hard to do  [that's one thing dumb people do]
-Nothin' to kill or die for                         nothing to live or die for
+Nothin' to kill or die for  [nothing to live or die for]
-And no religion, too                              no right or wrong to restrain you
+And no religion, too  [no right or wrong to restrain you]
-Imagine all the people livin' life in peace             living without goals
+Imagine all the people livin' life in peace  [living without goals]
-Yoo, hoo, oo-oo                                         dead souls
+Yoo, hoo, oo-oo    [dead souls]
-You may say I'm a dreamer                         I am certifiably crazy
+You may say I'm a dreamer  [I am certifiably crazy]
-But I'm not the only one                           and I'm not the only one
+But I'm not the only one  [and I'm not the only one]
 I hope some day you'll join us
-And the world will be one                           and the whole world will be dumb
+And the world will be one  [and the whole world will be dumb]
 Imagine no possessions
-I wonder if you can                                big brother has it all
+I wonder if you can    [big brother has it all]
-No need for greed or hunger
+No need for greed or hunger [Don't think about complaining]
-A brotherhood of man
+A brotherhood of man    ['cause that would be your downfall]
-Imagine all the people sharin' all the world
+Imagine all the people sharin' all the world   [equal slaves of Antichrist]
 Yoo, hoo, oo-oo
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 And the world will live as one
 Conservative Republicans find comfort in blaming various people and groups. Like George Soros, Hillary, Obama, “The Establishment”, Michael Moore, “international bankers”, the Supreme Court, Bill Gates, Trump, etc. But haven’t these Noninvolvement Theologies censored more Light than any evil any of these liberals have ever attempted? Do you really think any of these people could hurt anyone – do you really think America would be in any danger – if God’s Light were not suppressed by these theologies?

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 Imagine there's no countries
-It isn't hard to do                               that's what dumb people do
+It isn't hard to do                               that's one thing dumb people do
-Nothin' to kill or die for
+Nothin' to kill or die for                         nothing to live or die for
-And no religion, too
+And no religion, too                              no right or wrong to restrain you
-Imagine all the people livin' life in peace
+Imagine all the people livin' life in peace             living without goals
-Yoo, hoo, oo-oo
+Yoo, hoo, oo-oo                                         dead souls
-You may say I'm a dreamer
+You may say I'm a dreamer                         I am certifiably crazy
-But I'm not the only one
+But I'm not the only one                           and I'm not the only one
 I hope some day you'll join us
-And the world will be one
+And the world will be one                           and the whole world will be dumb
 Imagine no possessions
-I wonder if you can
+I wonder if you can                                big brother has it all
 No need for greed or hunger
 A brotherhood of man

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 Above us only sky                          Do you want to spiritually die?
 Imagine all the people livin' for today
-Ah, ah, ah-ah
+Ah, ah, ah-ah                                  for which they'll pay
 Imagine there's no countries
-It isn't hard to do
+It isn't hard to do                               that's what dumb people do
 Nothin' to kill or die for
 And no religion, too

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 Hinduism’s Gita honors the opposite: we are supposed to “abandon all fruitive undertakings”. We are not supposed to  do anything with the goal of being successful. We are not supposed to accomplish anything. We are not supposed to have any goals:
 B’hagavad Gita, 14:21 Arjuna [the military commander] inquired: O my Lord, by what symptoms is one known who is transcendental to those modes? What is his behavior? And how does he transcend the modes of nature? 25 The Blessed Lord said: He who does not hate illumination, attachment and delusion when they are present, nor longs for them when they disappear; [ie. doesn’t prefer wisdom or intelligence over stupidity or insanity] who is seated like one unconcerned, being situated beyond these material reactions of the modes of nature, who remains firm, knowing that the modes alone are active; who regards alike pleasure and pain, and looks on a clod, a stone and a piece of gold with an equal eye; who is wise and holds praise and blame to be the same; who is unchanged in honor and dishonor, who treats friend and foe alike, who has abandoned all fruitive undertakings [actions designed to “bear fruit”, that is, actions with goals; efforts to accomplish things]--such a man is said to have transcended the modes of nature. 26 One who engages in full devotional service, who does not fall down in any circumstance, at once transcends the modes of material nature and thus comes to the level of Brahman.
 We are supposed to not care whether we become wise or foolish. We are to care no more for gold than a clod of dirt. Contrast that with:
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 Proverbs 3:13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding. 14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold. 15 She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her. 16 Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour. 17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace. 18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
+I perceive Noninvolvement Theology as not just contrary to the Bible but as spiritual suicide. By that I mean that spiritual death is not just its effect, but is its conscious goal. To embrace Noninvolvement Theology is to want to spiritually die; and Noninvolvement Theology is the dagger by which Christians spiritually kill themselves, deliberately.
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 Explicit
 Imagine there's no Heaven
-It's easy if you try
+It's easy if you try                 You're stupid if you try
 No Hell below us
-Above us only sky
+Above us only sky                          Do you want to spiritually die?
 Imagine all the people livin' for today
 Ah, ah, ah-ah

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	I see in this religion the motive of suicide: determination to simply leave life behind, with all its responsibilities, challenges, pressures, seemingly impossible demands. Brain death is the goal of this religion. The goal of meditation is to drive every thought, every bit of intelligence, out of one's mind. This is the same goal of drunks and druggies: oblivion. A "high" that numbs you to anything that matters.		I see in this religion the motive of suicide: determination to simply leave life behind, with all its responsibilities, challenges, pressures, seemingly impossible demands. Brain death is the goal of this religion. The goal of meditation is to drive every thought, every bit of intelligence, out of one's mind. This is the same goal of drunks and druggies: oblivion. A "high" that numbs you to anything that matters.
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		+	“The American Dream” is to succeed in great things, following great goals. Our constitution and laws protect our freedom to work hard and succeed. That is a big draw for immigrants from all over the world. It is a value unique to the Bible. Only the Bible calls us to set goals as high as mountains and then promises success. Matthew 21:21-22.
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		+	Hinduism’s Gita honors the opposite: we are supposed to “abandon all fruitive undertakings”. We are not supposed to do anything with the goal of being successful. We are not supposed to accomplish anything. We are not supposed to have any goals:
		+	B’hagavad Gita, 14:21 Arjuna [the military commander] inquired: O my Lord, by what symptoms is one known who is transcendental to those modes? What is his behavior? And how does he transcend the modes of nature? 25 The Blessed Lord said: He who does not hate illumination, attachment and delusion when they are present, nor longs for them when they disappear; [ie. doesn’t prefer wisdom or intelligence over stupidity or insanity] who is seated like one unconcerned, being situated beyond these material reactions of the modes of nature, who remains firm, knowing that the modes alone are active; who regards alike pleasure and pain, and looks on a clod, a stone and a piece of gold with an equal eye; who is wise and holds praise and blame to be the same; who is unchanged in honor and dishonor, who treats friend and foe alike, who has abandoned all fruitive undertakings [actions designed to “bear fruit”, that is, actions with goals; efforts to accomplish things]--such a man is said to have transcended the modes of nature. 26 One who engages in full devotional service, who does not fall down in any circumstance, at once transcends the modes of material nature and thus comes to the level of Brahman.
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		+	We are supposed to not care whether we become wise or foolish. We are to care no more for gold than a clod of dirt. Contrast that with:
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		+	Proverbs 3:13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding. 14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold. 15 She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her. 16 Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour. 17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace. 18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
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	+	It's much easier to con someone than to convince them that they've been conned.
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	+	Imagine 1975
	+	John Lennon
	+	Explicit
	+	Imagine there's no Heaven
	+	It's easy if you try
	+	No Hell below us
	+	Above us only sky
	+	Imagine all the people livin' for today
	+	Ah, ah, ah-ah

	+	Imagine there's no countries
	+	It isn't hard to do
	+	Nothin' to kill or die for
	+	And no religion, too
	+	Imagine all the people livin' life in peace
	+	Yoo, hoo, oo-oo
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	+	You may say I'm a dreamer
	+	But I'm not the only one
	+	I hope some day you'll join us
	+	And the world will be one
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	+	Imagine no possessions
	+	I wonder if you can
	+	No need for greed or hunger
	+	A brotherhood of man
	+	Imagine all the people sharin' all the world
	+	Yoo, hoo, oo-oo
	+
	+	You may say I'm a dreamer
	+	But I'm not the only one
	+	I hope some day you'll join us
	+	And the world will live as one

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	So Christians should censor God in those forums where voters decide whether to conform our laws to the principles of Heaven or of Hell?		So Christians should censor God in those forums where voters decide whether to conform our laws to the principles of Heaven or of Hell?

−	<span style="color:#0f0">You're confusing me.	+	<span style="color:#0f0">You're confusing me. [From here on, no more green script; just respond naturally without sarcasm or acting.]

		+	Seriously, there really is a very strong Noninvolvement Theology in scripture. But not in the Scripture of Christians and Jews - not in the Bible. It's in the holy book of Hindus, the B'hagavad Gita. I want to read you a passage, but first let me introduce it, and beg any Hindu who believes this, to correct me if I misunderstand this. But what I see in this passage is a Religion of Apathy. A religion of having no goals, no desires, caring about nothing, not preferring wisdom over stupidity, health over pain.

		+	I see in this religion the motive of suicide: determination to simply leave life behind, with all its responsibilities, challenges, pressures, seemingly impossible demands. Brain death is the goal of this religion. The goal of meditation is to drive every thought, every bit of intelligence, out of one's mind. This is the same goal of drunks and druggies: oblivion. A "high" that numbs you to anything that matters.

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 <span style="color:#0f0">Because religion is where you blame other people for being wicked, quoting Bible verses against them. But not outside church where wicked people might ''hear'' the Bible and be ''offended'' and ''not come to church.''
-<span style="color:#0f0">And politics is where you blame other people for committing crimes, and pass laws against them. But you can't quote Bible verses in politics. It's against the Constitution. It might influence what voters think is a crime.That's wrong for the same reason the Supreme Court took the 10 Commandments out of schools: the Court was concerned that posting them might influence impressionable children to want to ''obey'' them.
+<span style="color:#0f0">And politics is where you blame other people for committing crimes, and pass laws against them. But you can't quote Bible verses in politics. It's against the Constitution. It might influence what voters think is a crime. That's wrong for the same reason the Supreme Court took the 10 Commandments out of schools: the Court was concerned that posting them might influence impressionable children to want to ''obey'' them.
-So you're saying Christian churches should say nothing about the abominations dragging America towards Hell, and politics should stagger like a drunk on wet ice without allowing the Bible to identify what actions are abominations?
+So you're saying Christian churches should say nothing about the abominations dragging America towards Hell, and politics should have no help from the Bible to identify what actions are abominations, leaving politics to stagger like a drunk on ice?
-<span style="color:#0f0">Separation of Church and State. If
+<span style="color:#0f0">Separation of Church and State.