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<span style="color:brown">'''Scriptures addressed below indicate that we should not recklessly disregard hygiene basics in our service to others, but they do indicate that when our choice is between exposing ourselves to disease by helping the diseased, as carefully as we can, and staying safe by staying away from the diseased, helping is actually much safer. While we should be as careful as anyone, it is as dangerous to TRUST our own carefulness, by itself, to save us, as it is for a child to trust his own knowledge and skill to bring him safely to adulthood. It is a child's partnership with parents - trusting parents for advice and protection, and obeying their advice, that protects children, and it is our partnership with God - trusting God for advice and protection, the evidence of our trust being our obedience to His advice,that brings us adults safely to Heaven through a life of successful John 15:13 service to others on Earth. ''' </span>
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<span style="color:brown">'''Scriptures addressed below indicate that we should not recklessly disregard hygiene basics in our service to others, but they also indicate that when our choice is between exposing ourselves to disease by helping the diseased, as carefully as we can, and staying safe by staying away from the diseased, helping is actually much safer. While we should be as careful as anyone, it is as dangerous to TRUST our own carefulness, by itself, to save us, as it is for a child to trust his own knowledge and skill to bring him safely to adulthood. It is a child's partnership with parents - trusting parents for advice and protection, and obeying their advice, that protects children, and it is our partnership with God - trusting God for advice and protection, the evidence of our trust being our obedience to His advice,that brings us adults safely to Heaven through a life of successful John 15:13 service to others on Earth. ''' </span>
  
 
Is that actually what God thinks? Does God really not understand how dangerous coronavirus is?
 
Is that actually what God thinks? Does God really not understand how dangerous coronavirus is?

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God’s Coronavirus Protection: Help others – especially those with Coronovirus

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3 Verses

Psalm 41:1 To the [music] director: A song of David. Those who help the poor succeed will get many blessings. When trouble comes, the LORD will save them. 2 The LORD will protect them and save their lives. He will bless them in this land. He will not let their enemies harm them. 3 When they are sick in bed, the LORD will give them strength and make them well! (ERV translation)

Psalm 91:1 Live under the protection of God Most High and stay in the shadow of God All-Powerful. 2 Then you will say to the LORD, "You are my fortress, my place of safety; you are my God, and I trust you." 3 The Lord will keep you safe from secret traps and deadly diseases. 4 He will spread his wings over you and keep you secure. His faithfulness is like a shield or a city wall. 5 You won't need to worry about dangers at night or arrows during the day. 6 And you won't fear diseases that strike in the dark or sudden disaster at noon. 7 You will not be harmed, though thousands fall all around you.... (CEV translation)

Luke 6:34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

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Does God Understand Coronovirus?

Why would God promise protection from disease for those who deliberately expose themselves to disease by helping the diseased? Does God simply not understand disease?

Scriptures addressed below indicate that we should not recklessly disregard hygiene basics in our service to others, but they also indicate that when our choice is between exposing ourselves to disease by helping the diseased, as carefully as we can, and staying safe by staying away from the diseased, helping is actually much safer. While we should be as careful as anyone, it is as dangerous to TRUST our own carefulness, by itself, to save us, as it is for a child to trust his own knowledge and skill to bring him safely to adulthood. It is a child's partnership with parents - trusting parents for advice and protection, and obeying their advice, that protects children, and it is our partnership with God - trusting God for advice and protection, the evidence of our trust being our obedience to His advice,that brings us adults safely to Heaven through a life of successful John 15:13 service to others on Earth.

Is that actually what God thinks? Does God really not understand how dangerous coronavirus is?

Back a number of years ago, they did a survey. And they went around the different college campuses asking students if they thought God understood radar. You cannot imagine how many of them said, "Well, of course not. We invented radar". No. The principal came from watching a bat. He's blind. But he don't miss. Huh? Does God understand radar? Come on, man. Does God understand faith? -Kenneth Copeland

I found that statement by googling "does God understand radar" because I remember from the late '50's a newsletter from the Billy Graham Crusade describing that survey. As I recall, the survey was in England. I couldn't find a link to a more detailed record of that survey. Another preacher who remembered the survey was Joe McKeever. His article is a great overview of Moses' hygiene laws, of what practical advice they were for a primitive culture that had never seen a germ, of the contrast those sensible laws were with the disease-breeding practices of all other nations of that time, and of resistance until recently of doctors to the most powerful evidence of the need for Moses-level hygiene.

"Common Sense" might cause our first impression to be "of course staying away from sick people is safest", which is the opposite of what these Scriptures indicate, which in turn will lead Christians to question whether they should be interpreted the way they seem to mean.

And yet the practice of modern medicine is in harmony with God's promises: doctors and nurses serve the sickest all the time, yet we are used to them being among the healthiest Americans. How can this be?

Can God be right? Can it be that God actually understands coronavirus, and that the safest response to it for humans really is to serve others?

One natural explanation for this phenomenon is that by ministering to the sick their whole lives, doctors and nurses learn much more about sickness than the rest of us; and by learning how to cure patients, they learn how to cure themselves.

Another natural explanation is that anxiety about danger makes us dumb. "The cognitive deficit of being preoccupied with money problems was equivalent to a loss of 13 IQ points, losing an entire night's sleep or being a chronic alcoholic, according to the study....The state of worrying where your next meal is going to come from – you have uncertain income or you have more expenses than you can manage and you have to juggle all these things and constantly being pre-occupied about putting out these fires – takes up so much of your mental bandwidth, that you have less in terms of cognitive capacity to deal with things which may not be as urgent as your immediate emergency, but which are, nevertheless, important for your benefit in the medium or longer term." "We can lose 13–20 IQ points in a moment of anxiety." "As the coronavirus crisis gets worse, some people’s behavior seems to be getting more and more irrational. There is a scientific reason why. Science shows that under pressure and stress we lose the equivalent of 10-15 IQ points."

(On the other hand, maybe we shouldn't take research too seriously, because "those with anxiety disorder tended to have higher IQ scores than healthy people"! while among healthy people, "those with high IQ scores tended to have low levels of worry, and those with low IQ scores tended to have high levels of worry". And people say we should trust science over the Bible because it is the Bible which contradicts itself!)

Personal Testimony

When I was young, in school, I was an anxious, depressed mess. I wanted to be "worth" something, to be better than others, but my achievements couldn't keep up with my evolving standards. All of that leveled off as a young married adult. Life was comfortable. I was content. Until tragedy struck: I was divorced.

The Bible had profoundly engaged my mind before, but tragedy brought the Bible into my heart, my feelings, and my goals. I studied what made divorce courts such a magnet, and became political. But through the intense human interaction of lobbying, doorknocking, and running for office, I met people suffering different tragedies than my own. I wanted to help. I researched solutions, but then learned how much human resistance there is to solutions.

Thus my goals vastly outgrew my capacity, my resources, or any logical vision of how to reach them. Except that Jesus promised I actually could, if I don't give up. Except that for the first time in my life, the problems that most concerned me weren't my problems. They were other people's problems. My own problems had receded so far into the distance in importance to me, and I had learned to trust Jesus' promises in places like Luke 12 not to be anxious about them. I stopped even thinking very hard or long or often about them; I found that indeed, my personal needs were always met, very often just in time, just enough, and by means I never could have planned.

Yet my goals remained, and remain, far beyond the reach of my eyes or my logic. Ecclesiastes 1 says in much wisdom is much grief, and I must have a lot of wisdom, because I feel a lot of grief about so many people suffering so much while I am offering solutions which are stifled by a wall of human mental inertia, but it is different than anxiety. My grief is not for myself; my personal needs are met to my satisfaction. It is not a grief which debilitates my body, but which energizes it, giving me purpose and meaning. In fact, any time the weight of sky high goals becomes heavy, all I have to do is think of Jesus' promises, and remember that I am not doing this for myself, and the weight goes away and I feel like I just plugged myself into a Holy Spirit wall outlet.

John 15:13 says "Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." My personal experience is that love, focused on the needs of others to the exclusion of my own, to the extent of even being somewhat bored by my own, lifts the weights that used to be on my heart. It rejuvenates my body. It removes the anxiety that makes bodies sick and old. It removes the despair of not understanding one's purpose in life.

In short, just one natural consequence of Biblical love is a body prepared to resist disease, even before taking into account any miraculous, supernatural protection from God.

I conclude that God isn't the one that's stupid. It's the rest of us. God understands coronavirus. He understands what our bodies need to resist it. He provides a general outline of basic hygiene practices, and then tells us about Love, which our bodies need beyond basic hygiene.

Therefore, the safest thing for our bodies as well as for our souls, hearts, and minds, is to serve others at every opportunity; carefully, responsibly, but sacrificially. Putting the needs of others way behind "keeping ol' #1 safe" is like shooting your foot. It's like kicking roses barefoot. It's dumb. It's not safe.

Other relevant passages

God's Hygiene Laws

Luke 11:37  After Jesus had finished speaking, a Pharisee asked Jesus to eat with him. So he went and took a place at the table. 38  But the Pharisee was surprised when he saw that Jesus did not wash his hands first before the meal.  39  The Lord said to him, "The washing you Pharisees do is like cleaning only the outside of a cup or a dish. But what is inside you? You want only to cheat and hurt people. 40  You are foolish! The same one who made what is outside also made what is inside. 41  So pay attention to what is inside. Give to the people who need help. Then you will be fully clean. 

Does this say Jesus didn't believe in germs?

God gave hygiene laws through Moses. He told us what meats are safe to eat, told us how to clean ourselves after contact with dead animals, how to deal with mold in the walls of a house, and all God's rules make sense in light of today's knowledge of germs; they were practical rules that kept technologically primitive people safe.

But God never told anyone to wash their hands before meals. That was a law invented by the Pharisees, not one of whom owned a microscope so he could even see a germ. And indeed today, in our medically advanced culture, people do not have a handwashing station at the entrances to restaurants. So apparently Jesus' answer to the Pharisees is an answer that any doctor today might have given them, had he sufficient courage.

While Jesus' challenge was in harmony with today's medical best practices, it was a startling challenge to today's political status quo. Because were Christians today to follow His example, they would challenge today's health requirements that are supported neither by the Bible nor by sound science.

Be Careful, but Serve, and Trust

Matthew 4:6  He [Satan] said to Jesus, "If you are the Son of God, jump off, because the Scriptures say, 'God will command his angels to help you, and their hands will catch you, so that you will not hit your foot on a rock.'" 7  Jesus answered, "The Scriptures also say, 'You must not test the Lord your God.'" 

Yes, Psalm 91 really did say those who trust in God will be protected by God's angels from even tripping over a rock. Yet Jesus says jumping off a cliff deliberately just to feel angel hands is "testing God". God wants us to partner with Him in keeping ourselves safe; just as parents protect their children from all kinds of dangers they are too immature to understand, yet expect their children to partner with them in growing up wise and safe, God expects adults to grow wiser, ever more mature, and increasingly able to master all the challenges of reality, yet God remains ever ready to save us from utter disaster, yet while prodding us to maturity with enough painful natural consequences to snap us out of our apathy.

To the incredible list of dangers which Psalm 91 tells us God will deliver us, Jesus adds, in the closing verses of Mark, that those who believe will drink poisons and handle deadly snakes, without harm. But in the context of Matthew 4:7, we are to understand Mark doesn't mean we should go out and buy a jug of lie and chug it down in front of a TV camera to show how God will protect us, while sitting in a rattlesnake pit. Jesus' protection is for when we couldn't avoid the poisons. And Jesus didn't say there would be no harm in each and every case.

An example of such miraculous protection is when John the Evangelist was executed by being dipped in boiling oil. He came back up unharmed. Unable to kill the man, his enemies then exiled him to the Isle of Patmos, where he wrote Revelation. A similar modern example is when Nora Lam was executed by a Communist Chinese firing squad. She was not only unharmed, but was immediately able to flee. "China Cry" is the modern movie made about her life, including that event.

Not everyone agrees with me that these verses won't protect us if we chug a jug of lye while sitting in a snake pit. There are still a few churches which handle snakes as part of their test of their faith, even after ministers and children have died from bites. See Snake Handling in Religion.

They rely on these verses:

And these signs shall follow them that believe: In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues. They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Mark 16:17-18)
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. (Luke 10:19)
And when they were escaped, then they knew that the island was called Melita. And the barbarous people shewed us no little kindness: for they kindled a fire, and received us every one, because of the present rain, and because of the cold. And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm. Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god. (Acts 28:1-6)

Unnoticed by the remaining snake handling Christians, apparently, is that Paul didn't actually reach into the fire in order to grab that viper, so he could hold it up and say "Watch this! This is really neat!"

So how should we apply these verses to our response to Coronavirus?

The 3 verses that open this article tell us God will protect those who help and protect others, so really, the very safest response to a pandemic is to serve those suffering from it. There was a terrible plague in Rome when the Christian church was young. It was so bad that people fled their homes, leaving cities empty - and leaving behind their sick family members. Christians stepped in, ministering to them. That demonstration of love caused considerable growth to the Church. Today, Samaritan's Purse, managed by Franklin Graham, has set up tent hospitals in Italy to help, as Coronavirus cases exceed Italian hospital capacity.

But as we help, we can be as careful as we can. Not only as partners with God in mastering all the challenges of reality, but to avoid hurting the very people we are trying to help, along with ourselves. There is another consideration: even when the particular measures advocated by media and government seem baseless, we can follow them to a reasonable extent, just for the sake of not terrifying people so much that they won't let us get close enough to help them.

Fragments from Emails

I respect the measures recommended, up until the point where they would restrict me from serving others; at that point, it is pulling back from opportunities to serve that would make me most fearful of losing God's protection. March 20

From a friend: We felt terrible that we could not ask you in, but the truth is, you are both our age and you are at risk to get the WuFlu as well as us. We don't want to spread it or get it. Last night George had chills overnight and I doubt it is anything, but the point is, we never know and from what I have read, this is not a nice way to die.

Also, they are telling us that the more that get infected, the more risk that the hospitals are overwhelmed and chaos ensues. So we feel it best to have no contact for a while. I have been writing the President and senators to ask them to simply sequester all older persons or those who have health issues which put them in a high-risk category and let the rest of America go back to work. I believe if he doesn't do this, society will break down soon and it will be bad. If he sunk just a tiny portion of the money he is throwing at this issue into separating out older people safely and voluntarily, we would be fine and the rest of the city would be able to go about their business, knowing that there is little risk to them, plus hospitals could handle it. Don't you think this makes more sense than destroying the economy and civil society?

We would have loved to sit with you both and talk for a while and had some dessert or something. But this is where we are and we believe it is long-overdue judgment and is mixed with extreme kindness, considering how it is actually rolling out. Please accept my apology that we could not have you in. Please take this seriously and don't get sick and stress the hospital system and risk infecting others. It is a temporary inconvenience and hits our pocketbooks, but we may be able to weather it with God's graceful help if he wills. We love you both. (Received March 22)

My response March 22: As for letting the young people go, they are getting infected at nearly the rate of oldsies; the difference being the mortality rate, which is 10 times higher after 70. Still only 2%. But obviously if all the youngsies mix as usual, their .1% mortality rate will still be horrible, besides the impossibility then of protecting the oldsies.

As for quarantining all the oldsies, a hit to the pocketbook is an optimistic view of driving old people out of their homes into the streets where they will be more vulnerable. That is, people who need to work to pay those sky high property taxes, which so far are not being delayed.

As for ourselves, our business has always been lucky to see half a dozen people a day, so it is about like staying home. Trump's guidelines are for oldsies to stay home, but there is no definition beyond that general principle; so oldsies still shop as needed. Work? Property taxes are due the end of this month. Something like $5,000 for us here in Polk County. We are still a few hundred dollars short. We have a reverse mortgage on the house and a contract on the store building; our contracts require property taxes to be promptly paid. At some point the calculation needs to be made: the deaths at risk from the virus vs the lives at risk from suspending the economy. I appreciate that federal tax deadlines are delayed 3 months, although we didn't make enough to owe any; but Polk County property taxes are collected by a Democrat-run board of supervisors, which has not announced any relief.

Not that my fear of the virus is simply overshadowed by my fear of financial ruin. My fear of either is simply overshadowed by my trust in God.

If you would like to visit safely, come interact with me at savetheworld.saltshaker.us. Or call. Or call with questions about how to interact at savetheworld.saltshaker.us.

George didn't SAY we couldn't come in and visit; but I assumed that was your wish. After we left there, we drove over to Steve and Kay Stroh's place and visited for an hour - not that I expected it. Their living room is too piled high with debris for us to be able to crawl through, but they came right out to our car. I asked Steve if he washes his hands every 5 minutes; he said, every 5 days. He said he had been working that day in the basement to get debris off the floor so it doesn't rot when it floods, which is only when it rains. He said he must have worked 35 minutes doing that, and cleared an area at least two feet square.

I read at Heritage.org that Iran may have 2 million infections; a dozen top leaders, plus many clerics, have died, and mass graves are being dug for commoners. China is their biggest trading partner, so many Chinese workers are in construction in Iran. They have millions of pilgrims visiting their "unholy sites", which they don't want to close and lose that money. Worshipers video themselves licking shrines to show their faith in the curative powers of the devil.

I don't take long life for granted. God has already been very generous with time for me and Dorothy. There remains much good for others I want to do, so I do lean on God's promises that these mountains will finally fall, and that I will see at least some of it. I understand that God wants our partnership in keeping ourselves safe by reasonable means; for example, Matthew 4, jumping off a cliff and expecting protection would be "tempting God". But where keeping myself safe conflicts with serving others, Scripture points to our greater safety being in the latter, and greater danger in the former.

Responses from others

Hey Dave, Thanks for emailing me this. We are praying constantly for the safety of our state and country. I appreciate you reaching out to me during these hectic times. Our verse for the day is Mathew 6:26 - 27. - State Representative Matthew Gurtler, Georgia


Thanks. Stay safe and focus on GOD. - State Representative Gerald Greene, Georgia


We are all in God's hands. - Jay Lawrence, Arizona legislature


Mr. Leach, Thank you very much for sending these vital verses and information. I appreciate it very much. I am sending this to some of my friends and former co-workers. Thank you again. - Dave Struck, Norwood, Pennsylvania


Hi Dave, As one who is trying to recover from Covid-19 (because I was volunteering in ICU where the sickest of the sick go), I can empathize with your friends in wanting to isolate. It is a small sacrifice to ask others to stay away unless a visit is absolutely necessary. This is because C-19 is present before one realizes they have it. This is allergy season for many who dismiss initial symptoms and go about their routines until they suddenly become quite symptomatic.

Like everyone else on the planet, I've had the flu several times over the years. But this flu is particularly vicious. Most won't die from it, but for a while that seems to be a good option to escape the unceasing headache, cough and congestion that threatens to overtake one's respiratory system. I started being symptomatic on Sunday but thought it was a sinus infection. On Monday I knew it was more, but I thought it might be a bad cold. On Tuesday and Wednesday the respiratory issues became rather severe and the headache that was mild on Monday became a constant inescapable pain that did not subside in the least until Thursday when it became bearable again.

The coughing and congestion, which I managed aggressively to keep it from going into my lungs, began subsiding yesterday, but not before I coughed so hard I herniated a small area under my right rib cage. Now, though I do not cough as much, it is extra painful to cough as the spasms jerk through that sensitive area.

Today I do not feel any better than yesterday and my legs are so weak I hurried through a morning shower so as not to risk falling in the shower.

Is God judging me? Or is God giving me greater empathy toward others who might become sick later?

When the heavens turn to brass and God withholds rain from a land, Dave, the righteous and the unrighteous often suffer together. It is what we do with our suffering that matters more than the fact that we suffer.

My advice is to stay away from your friends who are fearful and recognize that God is able to give them a degree of wisdom as well.

If you can find it, I recommend reading the November 2017 issue of Smithsonian Magazine in which they describe the influenza pandemic of 1918-19 . The article highlight is about how they took scrapings of that virus and resurrected the DNA from lung tissue to study it. It began as a rather harsh but usual flu virus, but that particular virus, they found, was able to mutate so rapidly and came back as a particularly deadly, more aggressive and more lethal virus. Thus the pandemic spread itself out over a very long "season" of time.

I do not know if Covid-19 is that virus, or not. But I do know we can all set aside the usual social and even work-related routines of life in order to protect others. I do not plan on letting people into my house, nor will I travel about, until I am a week out from having any symptoms. I have Clorox wipes that I intend to use to wipe every surface in my house, once I feel strong enough to take on the task of sanitizing. I consider this to be my best way of protecting others.

God is good, whether we get sick, or not. And as with the man born blind, He can afflict in ways that enhance His glory, even if that means He makes use of any one of us in the process.

Warmly in Christ, Cathy from Oregon; Catherine Ramey "Justice and only justice shall you do."

Dave Leach response: ...At the risk of too simplistic a summary of God's advice, my conclusion as applied to you is that by volunteering, you were doing exactly the safest thing, even for yourself, and God will bless you for it. But we still need to be careful, as you are: even though God promises protection, Jesus tells us not to jump off cliffs....