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Here is where you can discuss anything about the proposed UTSS Constitution in general - that isn't about any specific part.
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If your discussion is of a specific part of the UTSS proposed Constitution, please post it at the relevant section at [[Talk:Saving_South_Sudan]].
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=A Simpler Vision of South Sudanese Government=
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> The peace talks in Addis Ababa are going nowhere and a new round is about to begin.  Many observers judge that the reason for this is that the Kiir Regime believes that it has no need to compromise because it has won the war on the ground and "holds all the cards".  At the same time, others believe that the people are showing definite signs of being totally fed up with the leadership and want to see a government without either President Kiir or Dr. Machar.
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> What are your thoughts about this?
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> If it is true that the Kiir regime has no desire for change, what can we do to get them to the table with a serious desire for a just and lasting peace?
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Kiir's desire for change can be judged more accurately when a clearly defined possible change is within reach.
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How can I explain this? To the extent the majority of the people unwilling to become involved in the details of managing the interactions between citizens, SOMEONE ELSE will have to manage their interactions. The fact that Sudanese people as a whole were satisfied with no better security for their freedom than the 2011 "constitution", that shows a very low level of interest by the people in managing their own freedom. Or a low level of understanding, which has the same effect. That is what needs to change! To the extent it does not, it is useless to blame Kiir. When people will not govern themselves they need a dictator, and to the extent they can't get along with each other, they need a ruthless, violent dictator.
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> Do you think that the diaspora has influence?  If so how is it being used?
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Diaspora has overwhelming influence, but only potential. Diaspora has potentially greater wealth, and purchasing power for weapons, etc., than the "government". It has the potential through networking with families to gather its information together into detailed news sources, down to the region, providing the intelligence needed to neutralize fighting. But not as long as Sudanese in diaspora only meet once a year to argue with each other for a couple of hours.
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Until diaspora gets really busy studying and debating a form of government which will actually secure to them the power to manage their own freedom in Sudan, and freedom for their families in Sudan, I see no hope of peace.
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It is wrong and self defeating to blame the "president", or Machar. Wrong because they have acted about as well as is possible in managing a population that will not manage their own peace. Self defeating because when the talk is "We will never let Kiir and Machar hold power again in the new government", they will double down and resist to their last drop of sweat and blood. But tell them they will have a chance to be elected in a new government, and their incentives will reverse: they will work to please people so that they might secure votes for themselves.
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Dave
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>  Is the diaspora ready for peace?
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>  Is it helping or hurting?  Is it still funding the militia groups? 
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>  What should the diaspora be doing?
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>  What actions should CASS be taking?

Revision as of 03:34, 14 April 2018




Here is where you can discuss anything about the proposed UTSS Constitution in general - that isn't about any specific part.

If your discussion is of a specific part of the UTSS proposed Constitution, please post it at the relevant section at Talk:Saving_South_Sudan.

(Start discussion here. Sign your contribution with 4 tildes (~~~~). )

A Simpler Vision of South Sudanese Government

> The peace talks in Addis Ababa are going nowhere and a new round is about to begin. Many observers judge that the reason for this is that the Kiir Regime believes that it has no need to compromise because it has won the war on the ground and "holds all the cards". At the same time, others believe that the people are showing definite signs of being totally fed up with the leadership and want to see a government without either President Kiir or Dr. Machar. > > What are your thoughts about this? > If it is true that the Kiir regime has no desire for change, what can we do to get them to the table with a serious desire for a just and lasting peace? Kiir's desire for change can be judged more accurately when a clearly defined possible change is within reach.

How can I explain this? To the extent the majority of the people unwilling to become involved in the details of managing the interactions between citizens, SOMEONE ELSE will have to manage their interactions. The fact that Sudanese people as a whole were satisfied with no better security for their freedom than the 2011 "constitution", that shows a very low level of interest by the people in managing their own freedom. Or a low level of understanding, which has the same effect. That is what needs to change! To the extent it does not, it is useless to blame Kiir. When people will not govern themselves they need a dictator, and to the extent they can't get along with each other, they need a ruthless, violent dictator. > > Do you think that the diaspora has influence? If so how is it being used? Diaspora has overwhelming influence, but only potential. Diaspora has potentially greater wealth, and purchasing power for weapons, etc., than the "government". It has the potential through networking with families to gather its information together into detailed news sources, down to the region, providing the intelligence needed to neutralize fighting. But not as long as Sudanese in diaspora only meet once a year to argue with each other for a couple of hours.

Until diaspora gets really busy studying and debating a form of government which will actually secure to them the power to manage their own freedom in Sudan, and freedom for their families in Sudan, I see no hope of peace.

It is wrong and self defeating to blame the "president", or Machar. Wrong because they have acted about as well as is possible in managing a population that will not manage their own peace. Self defeating because when the talk is "We will never let Kiir and Machar hold power again in the new government", they will double down and resist to their last drop of sweat and blood. But tell them they will have a chance to be elected in a new government, and their incentives will reverse: they will work to please people so that they might secure votes for themselves.

Dave

> Is the diaspora ready for peace? > Is it helping or hurting? Is it still funding the militia groups? > What should the diaspora be doing? > What actions should CASS be taking?