http://savetheworld.saltshaker.us/index.php?title=Troubling_Excerpts_%26_Analysis_from_Dobbs_v._Jackson&feed=atom&action=historyTroubling Excerpts & Analysis from Dobbs v. Jackson - Revision history2024-03-28T09:14:24ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.30.0http://savetheworld.saltshaker.us/index.php?title=Troubling_Excerpts_%26_Analysis_from_Dobbs_v._Jackson&diff=49680&oldid=prevDaveLeach: /* Past judges knew "It's a Baby" but we today can't know */2023-01-24T06:28:38Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Past judges knew "It's a Baby" but we today can't know</span></span></p>
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</table>DaveLeachhttp://savetheworld.saltshaker.us/index.php?title=Troubling_Excerpts_%26_Analysis_from_Dobbs_v._Jackson&diff=49573&oldid=prevDaveLeach: /* Aborticide hasn't been legal for several centuries - otherwise it would be a constitutional right today */2023-01-17T01:43:20Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Aborticide hasn't been legal for several centuries - otherwise it would be a constitutional right today</span></span></p>
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</table>DaveLeachhttp://savetheworld.saltshaker.us/index.php?title=Troubling_Excerpts_%26_Analysis_from_Dobbs_v._Jackson&diff=49571&oldid=prevDaveLeach: /* Aborticide hasn't been legal for several centuries - otherwise it would be a constitutional right today */2023-01-17T01:30:48Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Aborticide hasn't been legal for several centuries - otherwise it would be a constitutional right today</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>COMMENT: Deeply rooted in history? No, something more dispositive than that must rule aborticide illegal: the fact that it kills babies. When the 14th Amendment was enacted, the right to own slaves was “deeply rooted in history”. If being “deeply rooted in history” created an exemption from “equal protection of the laws” for one class of humans to continue tyrannizing another, we would still have slavery. Women would still not vote. Children would still work long hours in sweat shops. Sodomites could still not marry. Oh wait, maybe I agree Obgerfell was wrong because the right of sodomites to stay out of jail, much less marry, is not “deeply rooted in history”. But even sodomite rights should not be reversed because they are not “deeply rooted in history” but because sodomy is unspeakably unsanitary, it spreads the worst of diseases, it shortens lifetimes twice as much as smoking, its promiscuity exceeds that of prostitutes. But did your ruling mention any of those factors?  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>COMMENT: Deeply rooted in history? No, something more dispositive than that must rule aborticide illegal: the fact that it kills babies. When the 14th Amendment was enacted, the right to own slaves was “deeply rooted in history”. If being “deeply rooted in history” created an exemption from “equal protection of the laws” for one class of humans to continue tyrannizing another, we would still have slavery. Women would still not vote. Children would still work long hours in sweat shops. Sodomites could still not marry. Oh wait, maybe I agree Obgerfell was wrong because the right of sodomites to stay out of jail, much less marry, is not “deeply rooted in history”. But even sodomite rights should not be reversed because they are not “deeply rooted in history” but because sodomy is unspeakably unsanitary, it spreads the worst of diseases, it shortens lifetimes twice as much as smoking, its promiscuity exceeds that of prostitutes. But did your ruling mention any of those factors?  </div></td></tr>
</table>DaveLeachhttp://savetheworld.saltshaker.us/index.php?title=Troubling_Excerpts_%26_Analysis_from_Dobbs_v._Jackson&diff=49119&oldid=prevDaveLeach: /* What are the grounds for Roe? */2022-07-02T14:39:58Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">What are the grounds for Roe?</span></span></p>
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</table>DaveLeachhttp://savetheworld.saltshaker.us/index.php?title=Troubling_Excerpts_%26_Analysis_from_Dobbs_v._Jackson&diff=49118&oldid=prevDaveLeach: /* "Abortion is murder" is merely your opinion */2022-07-02T14:01:03Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">"Abortion is murder" is merely your opinion</span></span></p>
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</table>DaveLeachhttp://savetheworld.saltshaker.us/index.php?title=Troubling_Excerpts_%26_Analysis_from_Dobbs_v._Jackson&diff=49117&oldid=prevDaveLeach: /* "Abortion is murder" is merely your opinion */2022-07-02T13:54:31Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">"Abortion is murder" is merely your opinion</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>“A human person comes into being at conception.” That fact is “established” (Roe’s word) by every American legal authority that has ruled on “when life [in fact] begins” - by court-recognized fact-finders in every category of court-recognized fact-finders: juries, expert witnesses, states, Congress, and individual judges. No American legal authority has fixed any later time than conception that a baby in fact becomes human. If the uncontradicted consensus of every court-recognized fact-finder that has taken a position is not enough for a judge to know a fact, how is it possible for any judge to know anything?</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>“A human person comes into being at conception.” That fact is “established” (Roe’s word) by every American legal authority that has ruled on “when life [in fact] begins” - by court-recognized fact-finders in every category of court-recognized fact-finders: juries, expert witnesses, states, Congress, and individual judges. No American legal authority has fixed any later time than conception that a baby in fact becomes human. If the uncontradicted consensus of every court-recognized fact-finder that has taken a position is not enough for a judge to know a fact, how is it possible for any judge to know anything?</div></td></tr>
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</table>DaveLeachhttp://savetheworld.saltshaker.us/index.php?title=Troubling_Excerpts_%26_Analysis_from_Dobbs_v._Jackson&diff=49115&oldid=prevDaveLeach: /* "Abortion is murder" is merely your opinion */2022-07-02T13:48:52Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">"Abortion is murder" is merely your opinion</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Because once you know babies are in fact people, it is irrelevant what anyone “fervently believes”, or how many voters “strongly feel” that “full equality” eludes women who can’t murder their babies. The 14th Amendment outlaws infanticide, as surely as it outlaws slavery, in every state.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Because once you know babies are in fact people, it is irrelevant what anyone “fervently believes”, or how many voters “strongly feel” that “full equality” eludes women who can’t murder their babies. The 14th Amendment outlaws infanticide, as surely as it outlaws slavery, in every state.</div></td></tr>
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