God's Tips for Groups - Revision history

DaveLeach: DaveLeach moved page God's Relationship Primer to God's Tips for Groups

2021-06-22T15:04:52Z

DaveLeach moved page God's Relationship Primer to God's Tips for Groups

DaveLeach: /* I'm not called to do that */

2020-10-01T03:11:56Z

‎I'm not called to do that

DaveLeach: /* Disciplinary steps in Robert's Rules of Order */

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‎Disciplinary steps in Robert's Rules of Order

DaveLeach: /* Our Attitude when we must Discipline */

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‎Our Attitude when we must Discipline

DaveLeach: /* Withhold influence from those opposed to our group purposes */

2020-10-01T03:01:30Z

‎Withhold influence from those opposed to our group purposes

DaveLeach: /* We must sometimes discipline. We must never stop reasoning */

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‎We must sometimes discipline. We must never stop reasoning

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DaveLeach: /* Expose deceivers and dividers by group analysis of their inconsistencies 5b */

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‎Expose deceivers and dividers by group analysis of their inconsistencies 5b

DaveLeach: /* Expose deceivers and dividers by group analysis of their inconsistencies 5b */

2020-10-01T02:31:24Z

‎Expose deceivers and dividers by group analysis of their inconsistencies 5b

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DaveLeach: /* Evil in ourselves merits the same attention as evil outside */

2020-10-01T01:52:39Z

‎Evil in ourselves merits the same attention as evil outside

DaveLeach: /* Discipline: "And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 1 Cor 14:32 */

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‎Discipline: "And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 1 Cor 14:32

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 ===I'm not called to do that===
-Doesn't your understanding of what God calls you to do evolve over the years?
+See section 3a. God calls us to support each other’s “good works”. We are called to serve each other. We are called to “lift one another’s burdens”.
 The Bible, uniquely among the world's religions, idealizes intellectual growth; in fact, ''perpetual'' growth in wisdom. The Parable of the Talents links our doubling of our capacity with Life, and says when we stop growing, that leads to Death. In a profound sense that ''is'' death.

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 Do Christians in America today have blood on their hands from meeting by rules which, contrary to Scripture, block relief for “the least of these my brethren” being drawn to Hell by Darkness in “politics”? And calling their meetings “worship”? By all means, let us be patient and merciful with others!
-==Disciplinary steps in Robert's Rules of Order==
+==We may borrow Disciplinary steps from Robert's Rules of Order 5h==
 Just for comparison, here are the five kinds of discipline proposed by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disciplinary_procedures Robert's Rules]. It may be that Bible rules would be appropriately enhanced by these rules, in some situations. There is a principle in law and in common sense that the authority to impose a harsh penalty is also the authority to impose any lesser penalty. Since most of these penalties are less than what the Bible authorizes, they may be considered likewise authorized by God as options.

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 <blockquote>It would not be difficult to practice this rule, and yet to show to others all the kindness, and all the attention in circumstances of need, which religion demands. A person who is truly consistent is never suspected of countenancing error, even when he is distinguished for liberality, and is ready, like the good Samaritan, to pour in oil and wine in the wounds of any waylaid traveler. The command not to “receive such an one into the house,” in such circumstances as those referred to by John, would be probably understood literally, as he doubtless designed that it should be. To do that, to meet such persons with a friendly greeting, would be construed as countenancing their doctrine, and as commending them to others; and hence it was forbidden that they should be entertained as such. '''This treatment would not be demanded where no such interpretation could be put on receiving a friend or relative who held different and even erroneous views, or in showing kindness to a stranger who differed from us, but it would apply to the receiving and entertaining “a professed teacher of religion, as such;” and the rule is as applicable now as it was then.'''</blockquote>
-==Our Attitude when we must Discipline==
+==Disciplinary Attitude: Zero Tolerance, Infinite Mercy, Respectful Communication 5e==
 It is impossible for a group to take strong action together to overcome evil without having strong convictions about what is evil. Therefore, to the extent our participants disagree, disagreement will not be abstract, but personal.
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 There is nothing in this context about formal church beliefs.
-===The 2nd Chance we owe those we must discipline is modeled by how Jesus treated Matthew===
+===The 2nd Chance we owe those we must discipline is modeled by how Jesus treated Matthew 5f===
 If a group exercises no authority to discipline a participant, participants can destroy meetings in many ways. But if a group is too quick to exercise such authority, it loses valuable talent too easily, and makes other participants nervous about whether they will be next. The passage here shows what love Jesus models for us to follow, towards even those we most decisively discipline, and what hope to hold for reconciliation. Jesus said when a participant stubbornly rebels against group rules, to treat him as a "publican". Well, when he said that, Matthew was present. It was when Matthew was a publican, that Jesus welcomed him as one of His 12 apostles. And later, Matthew's Gospel was given first place in the New Testament.

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 We can give the example of a human body, out of 1 Corinthians 12. Even the most disgusting parts of our bodies serve important functions. And just as our hands wash our disgusting parts, we hope that interaction between all of us will improve all of us, so that we are happiest to welcome the farthest down in our society to help improve them, which we say to explain that we are serious when we say we will welcome news reporters.
-==Withhold influence from those opposed to our group purposes==
+==Withhold Group Authority from those who Oppose Group Purposes 5d==
 All kinds of groups, whether religious, political, or secular, select people committed to their group's purposes for their leaders, and marginalize members to the extent their lives and words oppose their purposes. For example, Democrats don't elect prolife gun owners, and Republicans don't ordinarily elect transgender abortionists. For two reasons: to keep from confusing outsiders about the organization's goals, and to keep from giving influence to people who may use it to oppose the organization's goals.

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 Further evidence that exposing fraud through group “note taking” is the way to address “division” is the link in Titus and 2 John between “deceivers” and dividers.
- Titus 1:7-14 says “deceivers” (v. 10) “subvert” (or divide; v. 11) people. 2 John likewise identifies “deceivers” as those from whom we should distinguish ourselves.
+Titus 1:7-14 says “deceivers” (v. 10) “subvert” (or divide; v. 11) people. 2 John likewise identifies “deceivers” as those from whom we should distinguish ourselves.
 So Paul said when someone is using deception to divide people, the whole group should establish the facts of the deception, in order to avoid being deceived any longer.
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 divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned;
 and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ,
- but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts
+but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts
 of the simple.
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 Human standards for others that we write, ourselves, which don’t include any of our ''own'' sins, and that fill a page or less, are much handier to judge others by in order to prove our own superiority than the whole Bible, which names ''every one'' of our ''own'' sins and that requires lots of scholarship to even begin to understand God’s perspective of sin.
- The Bible, unlike human-authored “Doctrines”, requires the opposite of the arrogant gloating known to accompany “excommunication”; gloating that another has committed so grave an error as to justify our censure of him! This is not the way we build unity! This is not the way we accomplish great good! And as Proverbs 24 informs us, God doesn’t like it.
+The Bible, unlike human-authored “Doctrines”, requires the opposite of the arrogant gloating known to accompany “excommunication”; gloating that another has committed so grave an error as to justify our censure of him! This is not the way we build unity! This is not the way we accomplish great good! And as Proverbs 24 informs us, God doesn’t like it.
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 <blockquote>'''Expositor's Bible,''' continued: "Love of what is good is not only consistent with hatred of what is evil; it cannot exist without such hatred. What we have to consider, therefore, is this. Will friendliness confirm him in his error? Would he be more impressed by severity? Is intercourse with him likely to lead to our being led astray? Will it increase his influence and his opportunities of doing harm? Is severity likely to excite sympathy in other people, first for him, and then for his teaching? It is impossible to lay down a hard-and-fast rule that would cover all cases; and while we remember the stern instructions which St. Paul gives to Titus, and St. John to the 'elect lady,' let us not forget the way in which Jesus Christ treated publicans and sinners."</blockquote>
-==Evil in ourselves merits the same attention as evil outside==
+==Evil in ourselves merits the same attention as evil outside 5c==
 Darkness is a metaphor of the evil in the world that our group is called by God to shine Light upon. Darkness in the lives of our own participants merits the same attention as Darkness outside, and the same reasoning love that is in our approach to the Darkness outside.

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