http://savetheworld.saltshaker.us/index.php?title=%22Never_Trump%22_and_the_Bible&feed=atom&action=history"Never Trump" and the Bible - Revision history2024-03-28T19:37:09ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.30.0http://savetheworld.saltshaker.us/index.php?title=%22Never_Trump%22_and_the_Bible&diff=48532&oldid=prevDaveLeach at 04:40, 24 June 20212021-06-24T04:40:18Z<p></p>
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</table>DaveLeachhttp://savetheworld.saltshaker.us/index.php?title=%22Never_Trump%22_and_the_Bible&diff=48516&oldid=prevDaveLeach at 03:22, 24 June 20212021-06-24T03:22:29Z<p></p>
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</table>DaveLeachhttp://savetheworld.saltshaker.us/index.php?title=%22Never_Trump%22_and_the_Bible&diff=437&oldid=prevDaveLeach: /* A Bible Story. */2016-07-15T20:14:15Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">A Bible Story.</span></span></p>
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</table>DaveLeachhttp://savetheworld.saltshaker.us/index.php?title=%22Never_Trump%22_and_the_Bible&diff=434&oldid=prevDaveLeach: /* The Legal Question */2016-07-14T01:28:46Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">The Legal Question</span></span></p>
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