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What This Is

What you can accomplish. There is no better format on the web than the one here for interacting with others to develop consensus about facts, positions, solutions and strategies relating to public issues. And then to act together using these strategies in order to implement these solutions - to go beyond talk all the way to results. To "turn the world right side up", as Acts 17:6 indirectly puts it.

(This format is compared with others at FAQ#What_does_this_forum_do_that_others_don't?. If there is a better format, someone tell us and we may shut this down. There are more popular forums! But much depends on popularizing this much interaction across our land.)

How you can do it. The wiki software here is what Wikipedia uses. It allows people to not just comment after someone else's article, but to also edit someone else's article. The rules here invite you to edit, comment, debate, vote, and to leave your name with links to more of your own information, in the very part of an article where it is relevant. You can submit your own original evidence or reasoning, which is prohibited at Wikipedia; you can only report, there, the statements or positions of some "mainstream" source.

When the information you want to add is unreasonably long, or would alter the direction of the article enough to render its title incomplete if not misleading, you can add a summary of your information with a link to all of it which you can put in a separate article you can start here. If you want to post your information where others can't change it, you can post it on your own website and link here, or you can become a blogger on our sister blog, [www.Talk2me.Saltshaker.US www.Talk2me.Saltshaker.US]. Everyone is welcome to become a blogger there who will stay on a subject undistracted by spam, ads, porn, dirty words, etc. See Rules.

If your comment is like most comments after published articles, which very seldom address specific points in the article, you can leave it on the associated "talk" page where the rules about how to post are simpler.

Logical requirements for Consensus. Consensus is only possible between people willing to reason with each other - even when they disagree - respectfully. But Truth is only possible when bad reasoning is not respected or "tolerated". See [Rules#What_you_can't_do]

Consensus is only possible between people free to articulate their personal opinions and their reasoning, and to explain what most persuaded them - whatever it was - even when that turns out to be the Bible. Solutions are only possible when people can offer original ideas - because America NEEDS better solutions than have already been published!

Consensus requires lots of patience, lots of love, and lots of time. It takes lots of time to scrutinize new ideas, and to research novel claims. So much time, in fact, that it might require giving up as much as a whole TV show a week.

Urgency. The rules of this wiki aim at facilitating precisely the kind of dialog that America needs a lot more of. And not only America, but her schools and churches. In order to make our nation, and the world, a better place.

The Forum is a list of articles you can add to, correct, vote for, or just read. There are also suggested options how you can contribute in this format, and how to work with wiki software. Don't fear the funny code characters. They are your slaves.

Rules explain the very little that you can't do. Basically: stay on the subject. No spam, ads, profanity, or personal attacks. What you can do: You can disagree. You can reason. You can quote God to give weight to your point. You can disagree with God and even God will reason with you if you will sincerely reason, Isaiah 1:18, so we Christians, not being better than God, will also; although gratuitous refusal to consider evidence will not make you persuasive. The mood of the rules is to make you persuasive and to encourage respect - not for error, but for each other, we all being victims of error, Galatians 6:1 - and for reason and intelligence, evidence and reality.

Tips are suggestions how to back up what you say in order to be persuasive, wherever you are trying to reason with someone who disagrees with you, and Scriptures that back up those suggestions.

FAQ explains why it is important that you register with your real name before you can post. It helps control spam, eliminates "trolls", and helps keep our efforts to reason with each other respectful so they can be productive. By the same principle that defendants in court can better defend themselves when they can "face" their accusers - know who they are, and be able to question them - discussion is more productive when people know who they are talking to.

Talk:Main Page is where you can propose changes to this page, the Main Page. This page is "protected" so that not everybody can change it, unlike almost every other page and article. Please "create an account" (upper right of the screen) so you can contribute.


A “Partnership Machine”. A “multitude of counsellors”, through which, God promises in Proverbs 15:22, goals that are agreed upon are reached.

A “Think Tank” which establishes facts with enough authority to bring “Political Reality” closer to reality – to help Truth become “politically realistic” again. A forum for healing national division.

A forum where the purpose of debate is not sport but results - to "turn the world right side up". Acts 17:6. Where people reason with each other even when they disagree - without "tolerating" nonsense - where wise people will love you for intelligently correcting them, Proverbs 9:8.

Where information is judged, not people. Where ideas can't survive just by being "tolerated"; they have to be proved true. Where unpopular truths have a better chance than popular nonsense. Where everyone may appeal to the highest principles they know in support of their positions - even Christians.

Boring stuff for administrators